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Nov 3, 2012 10:19 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Dune Road Breach Widens During Nor'easter

Nov 10, 2012 8:11 AM

The deepest part of the breach that cut through the barrier island at Cupsogue Beach County Park during Superstorm Sandy doubled in width during the nor’easter that swept across the region on Wednesday and Thursday.

The main channel of the breach, which some are now calling “Sandy Inlet,” widened from about 150 feet to some 300 feet during the nor’easter. At low tide the breach inlet is now more than 10 feet deep and water is exchanging between Moriches Bay and the ocean at all times. At high tide the new inlet is about 1,000 feet wide.

State and federal engineers are surveying the Cupsogue breach, which is at the western end of Dune Road. It’s a haunting reminder of a similar breach nearby in the early 1990s that ultimately destroyed more than 100 homes in what is now the Village of West Hampton Dunes.

With that dark memory in mind, the State Department of Environmental Conservation has said it will close the breach immediately—as soon as contracted crews finish closing a similar breach on the other side of Moriches Inlet, in Smith Point County Park on Fire Island.

A DEC spokesperson said that closing the breaches is their top priority and that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and Suffolk County are expediting the necessary permits to use material dredged from the Intracoastal Waterway to fill in the cut in the barrier island.

“With the help of the Army Corps, we are taking the first step to fix those breaches,” DEC Commissioner Joe Martens said in a statement on Friday. “The state is prepared to allocate funds as quickly as possible ... to protect the bay communities, infrastructure and habitat.”

It still could be weeks before the breach at Cupsogue can be closed.

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Quick Mr. Bernanke, print more money!

Folks, this scenario does not have a happy ending . . .
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Nov 3, 12 4:04 PM
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Like pizzing in the wind, if you catch the drift . . .
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Nov 3, 12 4:04 PM
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Congratulations! All this building on the Barrier beaches have effectively destroyed them. The bay front communities are next:( And there is nothing there to protect them.
By sandydog21 (195), Southampton on Nov 3, 12 4:23 PM
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It is in The Bible A house built on sand will not last.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Nov 4, 12 11:56 AM
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The Dutch manage to keep out the sea. Our beaches are our dykes. Nobody should build on the dike.
By Born Here (26), HB on Nov 4, 12 5:29 PM
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If left alone will it help with circulating the waters in the bay? If so, does that then help alleviate any red or brown tides?
By Hambone (514), New York on Nov 4, 12 6:24 PM
This aspect should be given serious consideration IMO.

"To Everything There Is A Season."

Consider that "Nature" has a conscious mind, and that she, on occasion, INTENTIONALLY wants to remove brown tide from the bays.

What better way than to open the barrier beach to flush out the bays for 50 or 100 years?

Take the blinders off!
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Nov 5, 12 5:42 AM
To my knowledge, algal blooms have not been a problem in Moriches. This inlet will do nothing to alleviate the problem in Shinnecock.

Won't be long before the mayor of WHD tries to claim the new island as his. . .
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Nov 5, 12 9:19 AM
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I will almost always bow to your superior knowledge of the environment especially in matters near or on WHB. The 6/10/27 article in this paper noted "A destructive “brown tide” algae bloom has once again swept across western Shinnecock Bay, the Quogue Canal and eastern Moriches Bay, and this year’s occurrence appears to be approaching levels not seen since the devastating succession of blooms that nearly wiped out shellfish stocks in the 1980s and 1990s."

Now i know there ...more
By Hambone (514), New York on Nov 6, 12 12:42 AM
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Thanks Hambone - yes there is Brown Tide in Eastern Moriches Bay - but that area is nearly 4 miles away from the new cut which of course is right next to Moriches Inlet - effectively creating an increased amount of flow at one singular location, rather than increasing the flow at different points which would promote flushing.

From what I've heard, the cut near Cupsogue will be closed sooner than later, but its size (and likely increase in size tomorrow/thursday from the storm) creates a ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Nov 6, 12 8:08 PM
Fascinating Nature, thanks for the idea.

I think you meant "Sandy" in your quotes above.

And they have gone all the way to Montauk now. When you get to the google.org map, click on "Post-Sandy Imagery" and select the stretches of coast desired. Incredible that this has all been done, some as recently as 11/4. Plus lots of other areas have been shot, including the Outer Banks of NC.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 7:06 PM
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 7:07 PM
Actually PBR I just don't feel that I knew her well enough to call her "sandy"

And as PBR points out, they have added Shinnecock to Montauk and lo and behold you can see the earth movers at work at Sagg Pond trucking the sand away. What does Freddy boy have to say abou that? You would think with a Nor'Easter looming (and currently thrashing us) the would have just built a giant dune in front of the pond or bath house or whatever... not carted the stuff away.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Nov 7, 12 7:36 PM
Google keeps adding information to this resource, which now includes gas and recovery information.

A growing environment.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Nov 8, 12 8:40 AM
Have you seen the cut at Mecox? Have you seen the cut at Shinnecock? By the way that cut was made in Sept. 1938 hurricane. The Town fathers decided to make it premanent, thus we have the jetties on both sides. So I guess these younger guys do not read their history of our barrier beaches.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Nov 15, 12 12:51 PM
To Sandydog21. The building is EXACTLY why the barrier islands have lasted as long as they have. A desire to preserve ones property has allowed for beach and dune replenishment. If you look at most of the breaches they have occurred where building has not. Take fire island for example. If dredging was not done several years ago, the South Shore of LI would be completely flooded. Building PROTECTS the barrier islands.
By The Real World (368), southampton on Nov 5, 12 11:17 AM
The barrier beaches would still be there without the replenishment that has been done over the years. Maybe not in the same place and with some breaches opening and some closing but still there.
I think its more accurate to say the building has served to try to PRESERVE the barrier beach in its current form like a snapshot when overwhelming natural forces are constantly trying to shift it. Its a losing battle though it will take a hit bigger than Sandy for people to realize you can't outspend ...more
By shocean (16), Southampton on Nov 5, 12 2:54 PM
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Wider new inlet?

Let it be!

Nature will provide, if humans stay out of the way and don't meddle.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Nov 9, 12 6:16 PM
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The great aerial photos show the breach to the east of the east jetty, a stretch which where sand will normally build up, similar to east of Shinnecock Inlet, where the beach is very wide.

Let it be, and the sand will come.

No need to spend ANY money here IMO (unless of course certain leaders are addicted to spending money).
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Nov 9, 12 10:19 PM