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Oct 25, 2012 5:03 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Sandy Deals Glancing Blow, Leaves One Death, Destruction Behind

Nov 2, 2012 12:42 PM

Hurricane Sandy claimed the life of a still unidentified woman on Monday evening, destroyed an oceanfront home in Wainscott and a infamous nightclub in Hampton Bays, decimated dozens of miles of ocean beaches, and left more than 65,000 South Fork homes and businesses without power for what will likely be many days, even weeks.

The hybrid hurricane-nor’easter, now officially being called “Superstorm Sandy” by the National Weather Service, lashed the East End with winds as high as 90 mph, battered beaches, dunes and structures with towering wind-driven waves and flooded low-lying areas with its storm surge. Nearly 600 people sought refuge at Red Cross shelters at East Hampton High School and Hampton Bays High School on Monday night.

Still, Sandy delivered only a glancing blow locally, as the South Fork was spared much of the storm’s fury. Areas of New Jersey, New York City and Nassau County were hit with stronger winds and heavier rains, for much longer periods, and were swamped by far higher storm surge levels.

“Everyone is saying they survived, that we dodged a bullet and that there was damage but nothing that can’t be repaired,” East Hampton Town Councilwoman Sylvia Overby said on Tuesday, as the region began assessing the impacts of the storm. “They’re just happy that we didn’t get the brunt of the storm that other communities got.”

The impacts from the storm on the South Fork were tempered because, as it approached the Tri-state Area, the storm accelerated in speed, roaring ashore in southern New Jersey at more than 30 mph. Because it came in so quickly, the worst winds affected the South Fork for only about two hours, between 4 p.m. and 6 p.m. on Monday afternoon—not the 12 to 24 hours of high winds that had been predicted earlier in the week, when it was expected the storm would stall as it reached land and merged with two other weather systems to its west and north.

And the relatively low rainfall amounts, less than an inch on most of the South Fork, meant that fewer trees were uprooted than if the ground had been softened by rain. The two South Fork towns saw fewer than half of homes and businesses lose power, while on other parts of the island more than 90 percent did. Islandwide, 85 percent of homes and businesses were in the dark on Wednesday, according to the Long Island Power Authority.

Sandy’s early arrival also softened the blow, somewhat, to beaches and shorelines, because the storm’s highest surge of water into the South Fork’s shores and harbors came at approximately the time of low tide, rather than at high tide as had originally been predicted.

The storm surge pushed tides here about 4 feet above what they would have been otherwise. New York City, parts of New Jersey and Connecticut, in contrast, saw unprecedented storm surge levels of 14 feet, inundating many neighborhoods, destroying hundreds of structures and filling the city’s subway tunnels with saltwater. The storm surge’s crest locally at around 3 p.m. coincided with what would have been the lower third of the tide cycle on the ocean beaches.

Nonetheless, Monday morning’s high tide sent the waters of Shelter Island Sound flooding into downtown Sag Harbor, inundating Bay Street, Long Wharf and Long Island Avenue and submerging the docks at local marinas. The evening high tide caused Mecox Bay to flood over Montauk Highway in 
Water Mill, closing the road for most of Monday night. Much of the low-lying downtown business district in Montauk remained flooded on Tuesday. The rising ocean and bays flooded over much of Dune Road in Hampton Bays and East Quogue. The roadway remained closed on Wednesday morning.

Quogue Village Mayor Peter Sartorius said that the ocean waves breached the dunes and washed onto Dune Road in two places in the village. Several houses sustained significant damage he said.

“Dune Road got hit pretty badly,” the mayor said. “There are a bunch of houses on the east end that sustained damage. It was way worse for the beaches than other storms and Irene.”

According to Southampton Town Highway Superintendent, the ocean breached the dunes and washed across Dune Road in at least two places in Hampton Bays, the sea flowing into Shinnecock Bay, cutting off access to the commercial fishing docks and restaurants near Shinnecock Inlet.

Fire engulfed a structure on Dune Road in East Quogue during the storm but fire fighters couldn’t reach it because of the breaches. The fire was in the vicinity of the Neptune’s nightclub, though whether the fire was at the club or at a nearby house was still unclear on Wednesday morning.

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Full moon is Monday afternoon, by which time Sandy is forecast by the National Hurricane Center to be east of the Delmarva peninsula. This means the right-hand side of the storm, with its stronger onshore winds (plus forward motion) will be aimed right at Long Island. [link below]

Buoy 41010, 120 nautical miles east of Cape Canaveral, is already showing wave heights of 14 feet. [National Data Buoy Center links are below -- are these links allowable here at this time?]

Could be ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 25, 12 5:23 PM
Are these links allowed here, in light of the public's need for information?


Buoy 41010:


Wave heights:

By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 25, 12 5:25 PM
High tide at Shinnecock Inlet on Monday is at 7:30 +/- in the morning and evening.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 25, 12 5:35 PM
Watch Sandy live. Click on "Caribbean Enhanced" at the lower right side of this page:

By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 25, 12 5:43 PM
nice job PBR
this one has the potential to exceed 1991 Halloween storm
The buoys are always good sources of information, especially wave height and temperatures.
Everyone should be watching this one.
By North of Highway (280), Westhampton Beach on Oct 25, 12 8:58 PM
I wouldn't want to scare anyone but if I owned property in Westhampton Dunes I would pay serious attention to this situation.As PBR points out you also have a full moon on Monday. I recall in 1991 a few days before that storm I took my kids out to Pikes Beach on a beautiful clear warm day with no hint that a few days later the barrier island would be cut.
By North of Highway (280), Westhampton Beach on Oct 25, 12 9:10 PM
Wave heights at Buoy 41002 south of Cape Hatteras are starting to take off too, now up to 8.2' as of 7:50 EDT:


Wind speed near Freeport, Bahamas, is starting to rise, and is averaging over 30 knots consistently:


This location is west of the storm track it appears, on the ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 25, 12 9:28 PM
Buoy 41001, 150 nautical miles east of Cape Hatteras, should begin to see action overnight IMO:

By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 25, 12 9:38 PM
PBR did you notice the water temp at 41001
Yikes!!! that will certainly keep Sandy supplied with juice.
I really hope this veers out to sea.
By North of Highway (280), Westhampton Beach on Oct 25, 12 11:02 PM
Courage is being afraid but saddling up anyways---- John Wayne.
By PrivateerMatt (390), Weesuck Creek , EQ on Oct 25, 12 11:13 PM
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It's not likely to veer out to sea due to the strong high over Maine and eastern Canada.
By goldenrod (505), southampton on Oct 26, 12 12:10 AM
I was born in 1963. My grandfather would tell me stories of the 1938 hurricane. He passed away at 97 a few years back, the body failed but his mind was lucid. He said you might see a storm like that once in your life. He said you would never forget the power of nature. My mother today said all this reminded her of the 1962 Ash Wednesday storm, and her voice quivered. This is real, despite the fact that Irene went way west of the inlet, people got lulled into complacency, this is not the time. I ...more
By ridethetruthwave (17), southampton on Oct 26, 12 12:54 AM
NoH -- yes, warm water, plus our mild fall so far, will fuel Sandy. Be careful what you wish for I guess.

Matt -- nice quote and I can hear him say it.

The high noted by goldenrod is really clear in the "Atlantic Ocean Enhanced" clip at the top left here. See the dark blue SE of Cape Cod, plus note the two cloud circulation patterns at the top of the screen east and west of 60 degrees West Longitude.


Thanks ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 26, 12 6:29 AM
The conditions at Buoy 41001 [link above] are all starting to shift: wind speed, wave height, air pressure, etc.. Click on the icons to the left of each line item for mini-charts of the last few days of data -- the calm before the storm, literally!

Ditto for 41048, 240 NM west of Bermuda. All data lines are changing quickly:


Here are some other buoys to check:


From ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 26, 12 6:46 AM
The different time-lapse satellite views seem to show Sandy losing her strong rotation counter-clockwise, and the colors are dropping in intensity.

The high pressure system mentioned above may already be affecting things IMO.

The horizontal line of latitude through Cape Hatteras +/- (35 N?) appears to be a northern barrier visually to track through the different views.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 26, 12 6:59 AM
Plenty of warm water just south of LI to fuel Sandy:

By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 26, 12 7:10 AM
Buoy 41047 NE of the Bahamas is taking off too, with recent wave hights of 21.7 feet.


The air pressure is diving -- 29.53 inches as of an hour ago.

This buoy is at 27.5 N and 71.5 W, which is just east of Sandy's current center. The "Pressure Tendency" line item is actually heading up again, suggesting that the storm's center is moving away from this buoy.

By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 26, 12 7:58 AM
Donna was 1960
1962 was a super wicked Nor'Easter Spring tide, full moon, - I lived in New Jersey at the time
The Shore was ripped up all the way to Sandy Hook to Cape May with plenty of breaches of the barrier island. Both Asbury Park and Atlantic City to substantial damage and probably contributed to their economic decline.
What might even be worse this time is all the development further inland and along rivers and streams - if this thing stalls over the Susquahanna (sp) basin flooding ...more
By North of Highway (280), Westhampton Beach on Oct 26, 12 9:38 AM
Looks like it might go in south of us, but I'm preparing anyway. Awning coming down, outdoor furniture and planters getting put away, stocking up on food, water and books, gassing up vehicles, leaving nothing to chance. Chainsaw fuel might be a good idea too. Better go do that.
By goldenrod (505), southampton on Oct 26, 12 9:41 AM
2012 End of times? Maybe just beaches as we have known them. Looks like this is going to be heavy. Here is a link to a wave height modeling map for a another perspective.

By ICE (1214), Southampton on Oct 26, 12 11:24 AM
The "Western Atlantic Enhanced" satellite view has a time stamp of 10:45 AM EDT, and it looks to these eyes as if Sandy has lost its cohesive core, and is breaking up somewhat. The strong high to the north may be doing its job here at blocking things?


Conditions close to the storm center continue to get worse.

Buoy 41010 wave height is up to 24.3 feet and air pressure is down to 29.55 ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 26, 12 11:41 AM
What is the the Town of Southampton doing for preparations? Where can people go? What about after the storm passes and coping with the consequences of power outages? The time to get the word out is now while people still have power for computers and radios etc. In case of doubt, call Shelter Island, they seemed to be ahead of the curve for Irene.
By V.Tomanoku (790), southampton on Oct 26, 12 12:14 PM
Buoy 41047 NE of Bahamas is just east of the official storm center.


Wave heights spiked at 28' at 8 AM EDT, and appear to be dropping. Air pressure appears to have bottomed at 8 AM also.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 26, 12 12:29 PM
Click on Atlantic Ocean Enhanced at the top left corner here:


Watch the counter-clockwise wind circulation around the low centered way at the top and at about 47 degrees west longitude. Does this circulation appear to be sucking the right half of Sandy out to sea over the Atlantic east of South and North Carolina?

Where is the former red/pink center of Sandy?
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 26, 12 12:40 PM
Buoy 41010 at 28.9 N and 78.5 W will be very close to the center over the next few hours. If conditions start to improve there soon, that will be important.


[120 NM east of Cape Canaveral]
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 26, 12 12:49 PM
One-screen wind/pressure snapshot of 41010:


Wave height at 12:50 EDT was 27.6 feet.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 26, 12 1:19 PM
Even if it looses hurricane status the wind shield will expand
Its important not to concentrate on the hurricane's status, the surge will be thaere and high winds will also.
By North of Highway (280), Westhampton Beach on Oct 26, 12 2:32 PM
Good point NoH, but the time-lapse satellite loops seem to show the right half of the storm shearing off into the central Atlantic IMO. The smaller left side is re-forming off the Florida coast, however there does not seem to be much rotation as yet (3:45 PM EDT loop).
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 26, 12 4:08 PM
4:32 PM time stamp on "Southeast US Enhanced" time-lapse loop still shows no rotation for the smaller storm now re-forming. Plus, the central area of red appears to be fading. The sun is setting and the system is moving north over waters which are getting gradually cooler, albeit not by much.

By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 26, 12 5:01 PM
NHC advisory #18 as of 5 PM.

By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 26, 12 5:08 PM
I wish to clarify that Southampton Hospital is NOT planning to evacuate the Hospital, nor have we had any discussions with the County (or State) on this subject. My understanding is that the County asked a “what if” question and somehow that turned into Southampton being evacuated. We are not.

Like everyone else, we are actively monitoring the storm and will take all prudent steps necessary to protect our patients, staff and facility.

Stay safe everybody!
By Robert I Ross (250), Hampton Bays on Oct 26, 12 5:24 PM
Yep PBR I see your point.
Looks like some strong shearing is taking place
By North of Highway (280), Westhampton Beach on Oct 26, 12 6:04 PM
PBR your concern is appreciated and it is great to put info out there, but be careful not to oversaturate. The links to graphs don't provide a clear concept IMO. Check the link I posted that shows the wave heights and direction as this is what is going to give the best indication of how much water is coming our way. Surf-Forcast.com has and continues to provide accurate and proven wave modeling maps, as well as wind field maps. I've used this and other similar tools to formulate my own opinion of ...more
By ICE (1214), Southampton on Oct 26, 12 6:21 PM
Thanks ICE. Curious to know if you have watched the time-lapse satellite loops linked above recently? The radar and buoys are almost "real time,' compared to most other resources which are based on older data, or are outright projections, such as the wave forecasts. [I did check your link earlier today BTW, and complimented you on it.]

IMO the most recent (7:45 PM) Western Atlantic Enhanced loop shows a further deterioration in the storm off the Florida coast.

Please check this ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 26, 12 8:20 PM
I'm back to the label that the storm is "weakening" - it seems to be so - but as it does the wind cone will expand - and NOAA (at last check) is still calling for some reorganization before the predicted turn to the northwest. Look, in all reality - a few hours of 75 mph versus 24 hours of 60 mph. which one is more destructive? A full moon tide and leaves on the tree; How about high tide in the back bays? Are they very different than the ocean tides?
PBR has done a great job here - I don't know ...more
By North of Highway (280), Westhampton Beach on Oct 26, 12 8:28 PM
Thanks, and as you note, caution is still warranted. Anything could happen before this is over.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 26, 12 8:31 PM
The 8 PM NHC Advisory 18A contains only Tropical Storm warnings and watches on the coast itself.


In the middle of the page under "DISCUSSION" [all caps in original]:

By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 26, 12 8:29 PM
Hurricane force wind probabilities loop through next Wednesday afternoon:


By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 26, 12 8:34 PM
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By CaptainSig (716), Dutch Harbor on Oct 26, 12 8:40 PM
Ah come on man. What are you talking about? My wife calls me a "weather weenie" - I watch the Weather Channel, I follow all the storms, I also studied meteorology at Rutgers University many years ago - I love it. Now I don't know PBR but I appreciate his interest in whats happening in the environment and its no different than having a hobby in a specialized area. The guy likes to follow the weather - so do I and I have a life and I bet PBR does too. in addition he hasn't said or implied anything ...more
By North of Highway (280), Westhampton Beach on Oct 26, 12 9:00 PM
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The sky is falling!!!! Relax !!!! Some local fireman like to exaggerate things that are said at a meeting. If Southampton Hospital is in danger we all better leave now. It is a brick and concrete building with a huge generator with a decent elevation filled with medical workers sounds safe too me. Besides where are you evacuating too? This summer I sat in traffic on CR39 for 5 hours just for a car accident imagine a severe hurricane? Remember the hurricane two years ago that cost LIPA 20 million ...more
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Oct 26, 12 10:02 PM
Conditions at Buoy 41010 east of Cape Canaveral appear to have stabilized, and the wind direction has been backing from NE to NNE to N now, suggesting that the center of the storm is passing north of this station.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 26, 12 10:31 PM
5 AM update from NHC [all-caps in original]:



The storm is slow-moving, and landfall is projected to be south of LI during Monday. Therefore, Eastern Long Island will likely be in the dangerous quadrant of the storm in terms of wind, rain and storm surge. Sandy's many changes in complexion over the last ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 27, 12 6:31 AM
And Remember Boys and Girls....No Surfing when the waves get really good! The SHPD will be sure to place blockades at all the key locations where you might gain access to the beach, and will also be sure to deny you access to the ocean. And, if you even swim in the inlet you will get a ticket and possibly arrested. Feeling Free? Thanks, Nanny State!
By Born Here (26), HB on Oct 27, 12 7:39 AM
You lost me at "Nanny State".

If they know their citizens, why should a qualified surfer have a problem?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Oct 28, 12 6:17 AM
A surfer shouldn't need to be "qualified." The problem is that it is impossible to get into the water when the storms create the best waves because our PD, prevents it at many locations. I'm sure the PD's intentions are noble, however the decision is denied to the individual, hence a loss of individual freedom, hence the term, "Nanny State."
By Born Here (26), HB on Oct 28, 12 6:41 AM
Will the high pressure system(s) moving in from the midwest and Canada affect Sandy as she moves north? [toggle on the Animation button at the top right]


And what about the low which was over W. Virginia at 5 AM, and moving east. Is this the "Perfect Storm" analogous situation we have been hearing about?

Fascinating stuff!
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 27, 12 8:03 AM
At Buoy 41002, 225 NM S of Cape Hatteras, the winds and wave heights are dropping (as of 12:50 PM). The latest gust reading was only 31.1 Knots. This buoy is within 120 miles +/- of Sandy's reported center at 11 AM of 29.0 N and 76.0 W.


Also, in the 1:15 PM time-lapse satellite loops, the eye appears to be losing some oomph IMO, and there is less red in the center.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 27, 12 1:47 PM
PBR Why do I get the feeling you are rooting this thing in here. I guess your a renter
By 27dan (2854), Southampton on Oct 27, 12 2:28 PM
Millibars up to 964 and I see some shearing on the water vapor loop .

Don't believe the hype its a sequel
Oct 27, 12 3:06 PM appended by joe hampton
Glad I kept some of that Home Depot stock!
By joe hampton (3461), south hampton on Oct 27, 12 3:06 PM
Don't worry.

There will be an extra regiser open for returns on Wednesday...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Oct 28, 12 6:16 AM
We get it PBR.... guess you missed your calling in life huh?
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Oct 27, 12 5:14 PM
Envy ill-behooves you and 27Dan -- it's good information, it's not hurting anyone, and it keeps him and North of the Highway out of the bars.

Read, or read not.
By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Oct 27, 12 11:20 PM
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Hey, the bar I live in might not be happy with this comment, Mr. Wheeler, but thanks for the support. Funny, does The Buoy bar still exist? That would fit the bill here!
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 28, 12 7:31 AM
This storm will prove that sand on the beach will not stop a hurricane. It will prove that the town has no right to be involved in a prive public partnership for sand dredging. Do you really think the people on the beach will pay for 20 years if their house is washed too sea?
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Oct 27, 12 6:22 PM
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It never hurts to be prepared for any emergency life throws our way. No one expected the derecho this year and the damage it wrought...
By stormwatch (3), Indy on Oct 27, 12 6:33 PM
Sandy should be passing close to Buoy 41002 overnight. It will be interesting to see what the surface readings do if the eye passes nearby, especially the wind strength and direction shifts, plus barometric pressure.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 27, 12 10:21 PM
Lived thru 38 hurricane. Was in class that morning when the wind started. Room was in NW corner of HS bldg, south side.. I was 13 yrs old. Well, wind increased -- blew so hard the slate shingles roofing the auditorium vibrated bad and started breaking off -- and came spinning down -- and started breaking the glass windows in our room Soon, we were evacuated to the gym and not allowed to leave until a parent came for us. My Mom finally got me mid-afternoon and when I got home, the wind had ...more
By edvonessen (1), ventura on Oct 28, 12 5:37 AM
The eye just passed about 100 miles east of Buoy 41002. Sandy is moving slowly indeed. The wind direction, after being E for days, just abruptly shifted to the N and NW, indicating the passage of the eye nearby. [links above]

Sandy is now forecast to be (only) east of Cape Hatteras by 2 AM early tomorrow (Monday) morning.

Fascinating stuff!
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 28, 12 7:25 AM
PS -- It does bewilder, that some readers here can twist the gift of detailed factual information into comments about "getting a life" and "missed your calling." This petty ad hominem sniping might say more about the poster than it does about the person whose life it seeks to "improve?" Oh well, you can lead a horse to water . . . .
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 28, 12 7:26 AM
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Oct 28, 12 4:33 PM
ICE's link for wave potential is fascinating. Click the "Play" button at the bottom left under the map. As chief1 said, the beach damage here could be monumental. Hopefully Born Here and mates will be able to get into the water and enjoy the waves. Does Three's still break in the inlet? Montauk back side?

By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 28, 12 7:43 AM
Buoy 41001, 150 NM east of Cape Hatteras, is the next way station here. Wave heights are up to 30' and climbing. Pressure is down to 28.95 MB and falling fast. Wind and gust speeds are also rising. Given the slowness of Sandy's northward progress, this buoy will be "receiving" the storm from the south for the rest of today and tonight.

By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 28, 12 8:05 AM
I was just down at Peconic Bay near West Landing in Red Creek. The tide was already up to the base of the cliffs there. High tide was still over an hour away. It's just beginning and its already close to doing damage.
By Born Here (26), HB on Oct 28, 12 11:01 AM
7:30 am, tide in Shinnecock Bay was incredibly high with water at Rd D on the bay side encroaching on Meadow Lane. Ocean to the base of the dunes at Halsey Neck, Rd D and Shinnecock East County Park. This could get ugly.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Oct 28, 12 11:05 AM
There is a live web cam with sound at Cooper's Beach in Southampton which is instructive. [link not allowed here]
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 28, 12 12:40 PM
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 28, 12 12:41 PM
I love how they tell us at 12:30 that dune rd to be evacuated and by 2:30 the police won't let you on to get to your property. Sorry but 2 hours is not. A reasonable amount of time to get out.
By skybound (3), Westhampton on Oct 28, 12 3:28 PM
Article updated re: new evacuation per SHT Slosh Zones. Here is the tool (for which you need your address or Property tax bill information). I don't see an actual map, but will keep looking:

By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 28, 12 4:02 PM
ok so i saw the slosh map and i'm in slosh zone 3. however the press release says low lying areas. it doesn not say which numbered zones are in low lying areas nor does it say that all slosh zones are in low-lying areas. is it too much to ask for public notices to be written with consistent language????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
By sirpoochala (78), Hampton Bays on Oct 28, 12 4:09 PM
On the Slosh Zone look up tool page [link above], it says:

"Hurricane storm surge zones are based on NOAA Sea, Lake, Overland, Surge from Hurricane (SLOSH) model projections of vertical surge heights associated with Saffir - Simpson scale category 1 - 4 storms. Surge heights are associated with terrain elevation to delineate inundation zones for hurricane category 1 - 4 storms. Multiple storm landfall locations have been factored to produce a worst case flooding for any given area."

I ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 28, 12 4:23 PM
Here is the Suffolk County page, but it does not seem to be working right. Server may be swamped?

By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 28, 12 4:34 PM
This is now working, but very slowly. Hit button at top of map (Am I In a Storm Surge Zone) and enter address. Eventually the map opens with the address shown, and four surge zones colored in.

Assuming the Surge Zone equates to Slosh Zone . . . ?
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 28, 12 4:49 PM
Here is a map, not sure about zooming in -- TBD.


PS -- pdf's will not open on a Mac using Firefox (with current Mac IOS and Firefox), but Safari works.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 28, 12 4:39 PM
I know everyone is touting this as the 100 year storm, but I find it hard too believe with water temps in the 50's we will be hit so hard. Dont storms vere off this time of year too find warmer water?
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Oct 28, 12 6:09 PM
All worries unnecessary. Go Detroit!
By Lets go mets (377), Southampton on Oct 28, 12 7:42 PM
It's really windy here and this storm isn't even close. I hear all is calm in the city, no wind there yet.
I hate weather hype, but this time I'm worried. It's too windy for a storm that's not anywhere near here. And what's with weather people using the word "breezy"? When things are rattling, it's wind, not a breeze.
By btdt (449), water mill on Oct 28, 12 9:12 PM
Don't worry just stock on on food, and water stay inside and avoid driving . I was at the new Mecox Inlet this afternoon and the ocean is pouring into Mecox Bay Bay and I'm sure will cause flooding. Your right the storm isn;rt even here and we are feeling the effects. Weather the winds are 30 mph or 70 mph I think the flooding will be bad just for the simple fact we will have a full moon and the storm pushing water unto Long Island. Be safe and use common sense. By the way I'm curious why the Trustees ...more
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Oct 28, 12 9:23 PM
Hope everyone stays safe and that we don't lose too much of the barrier beaches.
By suzer67 (51), nanuet on Oct 29, 12 2:55 AM
Sandy went by Buoy 41001 a few hours ago, the winds have shifted to the NNW, and the air pressure is rising from a low of almost 28.6 inches.


Water temperature off Cape Hatteras is 79.2 F, which continues to fuel the storm.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 29, 12 6:07 AM
Buoy 41001 is the last buoy for a while under the storm's projected track.

Here are the next buoys coming up:


Some are small buoys with limited data, and these are not working:

44066 off Long Beach NJ
44017 SW of Montauk

These are working:

44008 SE of Nantucket -- wave heights of 16' and rising fast
44097 Block Island -- wave heights of 14' +/-
44025 S of Islip -- wave heights of 17' or ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 29, 12 6:33 AM
Regarding storm surge in LI Sound, here is NOAA's Bridgeport Station:


Click on the line "Water Level" for tide data there -- currently running about 3' above normal, and the air pressure just dropped below 1000 MB.

The Battery NYC:


Currently the tides are about 2.8' above normal, and approaching high tide. The readings here this evening could ...more
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 29, 12 6:42 AM
Montauk's recent high tide in Fort Pond Bay was 3.3' above normal.


By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 29, 12 11:18 AM
I think it's important too take a look after the storm is over and see how the beachs have been severly eroded. Do you think the proposed twenty million in sand would have stopped it? I think it's time the so called experts telling people sand, and rocks and other hopeless ideas are fruitless. Homes on the ocean should be built back further and higher then they are now. It's time people figure out when mother nature is coming through you get out of the way. We don't need our town too spend 3 million ...more
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Oct 29, 12 11:52 AM
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Ditto. chief1 has been saying this for a long time, and maybe people will start to listen to him now. Let's hope there is a beach left in some spots.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 29, 12 12:10 PM
My family has been on LI for more than 300 years. In all that time, nobody in the family has ever built a house near the water. Because "water come up." Only shacks used by fishermen and clammers were put on the sand and they were work-related structures, not homes. Everyone knew they were temporary.
I'm tired of tax money being used to rebuild massive houses Tjat have been built in the last 40 years when everyone knew full well they would be damaged or destroyed by water. No more FEMA for ...more
By btdt (449), water mill on Oct 29, 12 5:15 PM
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Seven foot waves in LI Sound north of the Riverhead area:

By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 29, 12 1:53 PM

LIPA Storm Center was down parts of yesterday.

Sandy was minimal on the East End. Power out all over. How vulnerable is our infrastructure for this to happen after Irene's lessons were not apparently instructive.

Mind blowing.

Hope everyone is OK.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 30, 12 6:52 AM
PBR - no disrespect meant but what was LIPA supposed to do? We got hit by essentially a hurricane with major flooding. No amount of prep and tree trimming can prevent the loss of electricity
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Oct 30, 12 9:51 AM
Two different issues.

LIPA storm center server problems.

Two, general infrastructure lack of preparation and myopia.

More later after Internet access is back.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 30, 12 12:19 PM
Also, the article seems to indicate that the east end did not, in fact, get hit with "minimal" damage
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Oct 30, 12 3:14 PM
Does anyone have any info on conditions in Quogue? elcatt in Dallas, TX
By elcatt (1), Dallas on Oct 30, 12 9:21 AM
Elcatt, conditions vary block to block and house to house.
Lots of downed trees.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Oct 30, 12 5:44 PM
Kudos to Michael Wright for a week of solid reporting. Well done!
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 30, 12 6:28 PM
If anyone is wondering how those of us in Water Mill who paid an extra tax so LIPA would bury our power lines are doing -- we're great. No power outage. Not even for a minute.

Recommendation -- do not allow LIPA to add more above ground power lines in your area. It was a minimal cost for a maximum effect. No more unburied power lines
By btdt (449), water mill on Oct 30, 12 8:50 PM
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Ditto. Our myopic approach to infrastructure is one slice of the pie which keeps getting us in trouble in storms like this. After all the damage to power lines from trees in DOZENS of storms, why do we keep repairing them in place, only to suffer the SAME kind of losses over and over again in the future?

What is that definition of insanity? [keep repeating same actions, expecting different results?]

By PBR (4956), Southampton on Oct 31, 12 5:30 AM
I actually had the chance to talk to an out of state crew last year after Irene. According to them, and this is just hearsay, LIPA was the laughingstock of the power grid system, second only to New Jersey as far as antiquated infrastructure. In a way we should be happy we don't have stray voltage problems like other utilities, but a wise man named Cicero once wisely opined: "Goodness, is not being better than the worst".

What are we paying, like 18 cents a kWh? That's alot of money from ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Oct 31, 12 6:31 PM
Not just those of you from WaterMill pay the tax. Those of us in North Sea pay for your burried lines too. Guess what? Trees took down our power lines. Some of us were powerless for 8 days.
By auntof9 (159), Southampton on Nov 9, 12 11:03 AM
can you contact me I have questions about time frame, impact and cost -- my hometown Woodbury got hit very hard... as did all communities on the North Shore. we can use advise on how you made that happen pls msg me jen_rosenberg at msn many thanks for your help
By JenniferRosenberg (1), on Nov 11, 12 1:00 PM
BURY THE LINES ! The lines ought to be buried in areas that do not historically flood. It would eliminate a lot of the problems caused by trees downing or damaging lines. Two weeks to get everybody back and running is ridiculous.
By goldenrod (505), southampton on Oct 31, 12 10:55 AM
Vote Romney! He understands the benefits of buried power lines so that business can continue and lives can go on. Obama would prefer that power lines are left hanging around on poles so that jobs are created when a storm hits and workers have to spend several days fixing them.
By Leon789 (50), westhampton on Oct 31, 12 3:37 PM
So can anybody confirm whether Neptune's burned down or are we still unable to do that?
By ex-pat (49), East Quogue on Oct 31, 12 5:37 PM
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By Aspatuck Gardens (30), Westhampton Beach on Oct 31, 12 7:44 PM
Thanks. Hadn't seen the photos. Read the article again. It makes reference in one paragraph to it burning down, and then says at the bottom of the page that they can't confirm. There is no need to be obnoxious about it.
By ex-pat (49), East Quogue on Nov 1, 12 3:20 PM
Who's being obnoxious? I think AG is saying there is conflicting info available from different sources so you'll have to look at it yourself and try to figure out what happenned.
By Q333 (161), Southampton on Nov 2, 12 2:47 AM
The destruction up island is beyond words, especially on the South Shore. [this from a trip yesterday to help friends retrieve things from a flooded house]

Mind boggling. NYC and NJ are worse. Wow.

So sorry for everyone's losses, everywhere.

By PBR (4956), Southampton on Nov 1, 12 7:09 AM
for the rates that LIPA charges (Among highest in the nation) they should have sturdier equipment. last year when the power went out from Irene, the workers in town frorm Missouri said that LIPA had cheap wiring and power equipment .
By louse pt. (143), springs on Nov 1, 12 9:57 AM
"""Areas of New Jersey, New York City and Nassau County were hit with stronger winds""""

This is not true. We had heavier winds for a much longer time than NYC did. I was in touch with city friends who were wondering if they were even going to get a storm while winds were raging out here. It was the storm surge that did the damage in NYC.
By btdt (449), water mill on Nov 2, 12 1:07 AM
I don't understand schools not having power. They're supposed to be shelters in case of disaster. And Southampton High School can't restore power? Why is that? Cheap work done when the high school was built?
By btdt (449), water mill on Nov 2, 12 1:51 AM
This may be a bit off topic, but I'm thinking this will be a heavily read thread. Should you still be out of power/cablevision, but can keep your laptop/desktop powered with a generator, or batteries I have a way for those with Android phones to connect to the net tethered via USB, or via Bluetooth and the software is FREE.

From either the Google Store, or June Fabrics directly get a copy of PDA Net downloaded to your phone. Install the app, and run it. You will need a USB cable, or Bluetooth ...more
Nov 2, 12 10:02 AM appended by Mr. Z
AND, the PROGRAM is free. Unlimited data plans are not. Don't let this cost you and arm, and a leg.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Nov 2, 12 10:02 AM
Hurricane Sandy - One man - One truck - Philanthropist Frank McKinney collected donations today in Florida & is PERSONALLY driving them up to NJ/NY. All donations, food & supplies HAND DELIVERED directly to NJ/NY shelters & Sandy victims. - Donations welcome, Please help - Frank will be posting videos of all his stops - http://frank-mckinney.com/press.asp?article=167
By Tiamariacat (1), New Haven Ct on Nov 4, 12 9:45 AM
We feel so thankful to be unscathed here on the Amagansett stretch and we wish all those who have lost homes and are rebuilding the best this new year can bring.

With all our love The Lobster Roll Family

By LobRoll (1), Amagansett on Apr 27, 13 7:02 PM